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(10-24-2022, 09:44 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-24-2022, 09:15 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Right, and we need leadership which totally avoids confronting such a travesty.

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We deserve nothing more.
No one is modifying the genitals of anyone under 18.
Republicans believe it's happening and people should go to jail for it.
Democrats believe it's not happening but should happen.
A politician can either preach from their side's hymnal on this, and piss off one side, or tell the truth, and piss off both.

We aren’t believing it is happening, we know they WANT it to be happening. Big difference.

(10-24-2022, 09:52 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-24-2022, 09:44 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]We deserve nothing more.
No one is modifying the genitals of anyone under 18.
Republicans believe it's happening and people should go to jail for it.
Democrats believe it's not happening but should happen.
A politician can either preach from their side's hymnal on this, and piss off one side, or tell the truth, and piss off both.

We aren’t believing it is happening, we know they WANT it to be happening. Big difference.

But are you OK with a younger kid identifying as the other gender if they want to and the parents are OK with it? No surgery.  Just a new name and new clothes.  You OK with that?

(10-24-2022, 09:52 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-24-2022, 09:44 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]We deserve nothing more.
No one is modifying the genitals of anyone under 18.
Republicans believe it's happening and people should go to jail for it.
Democrats believe it's not happening but should happen.
A politician can either preach from their side's hymnal on this, and piss off one side, or tell the truth, and piss off both.

We aren’t believing it is happening, we know they WANT it to be happening. Big difference.

Yup. They want Democrats and dick saws in the same sentence. Charlie couldn’t bring himself to condemn it.

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(10-24-2022, 09:57 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-24-2022, 09:52 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]We aren’t believing it is happening, we know they WANT it to be happening. Big difference.

But are you OK with a younger kid identifying as the other gender if they want to and the parents are OK with it? No surgery.  Just a new name and new clothes.  You OK with that?

What is it with this sudden endemic of kids and gender identity? Why did this suddenly become a thing to address on the political stage?

(10-24-2022, 10:00 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-24-2022, 09:52 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]We aren’t believing it is happening, we know they WANT it to be happening. Big difference.

Yup. They want Democrats and dick saws in the same sentence. Charlie couldn’t bring himself to condemn it.

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(10-24-2022, 09:57 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]But are you OK with a younger kid identifying as the other gender if they want to and the parents are OK with it? No surgery.  Just a new name and new clothes.  You OK with that?

What is it with this sudden endemic of kids and gender identity? Why did this suddenly become a thing to address on the political stage?

Why condemn something that's not actually happening?

And is this isn't really a huge number of kids having this issue, most schools don't even have one kid in this category. But one is enough for people to talk about.  The answer to your question is it will stop being a political issue when we stop making it a political issue.  Can you answer my question?

(10-24-2022, 10:09 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-24-2022, 10:00 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Yup. They want Democrats and dick saws in the same sentence. Charlie couldn’t bring himself to condemn it.

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What is it with this sudden endemic of kids and gender identity? Why did this suddenly become a thing to address on the political stage?

Why condemn something that's not actually happening?

And is this isn't really a huge number of kids having this issue, most schools don't even have one kid in this category. But one is enough for people to talk about.  The answer to your question is it will stop being a political issue when we stop making it a political issue.  Can you answer my question?

No, one kid having the issue isn't enough for people to talk about. How young is a young kid? And how young do they have to be to identify as a different gender without a parent or another adult encouraging them? My first instinct is if a child is identifying as a different gender before puberty, they're being manipulated.

(10-24-2022, 10:17 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-24-2022, 10:09 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Why condemn something that's not actually happening?

And is this isn't really a huge number of kids having this issue, most schools don't even have one kid in this category. But one is enough for people to talk about.  The answer to your question is it will stop being a political issue when we stop making it a political issue.  Can you answer my question?

No, one kid having the issue isn't enough for people to talk about. How young is a young kid? And how young do they have to be to identify as a different gender without a parent or another adult encouraging them? My first instinct is if a child is identifying as a different gender before puberty, they're being manipulated.

That's my first instinct too,  but the child psychologists and such are pretty much unanimous that these kids are not being manipulated and they would be able to tell if they were.  After a while I realize my first instinct might not be correct or relevant.

I suspect there might be a large number of kids who hear about this kind of thing and wonder if they should try it out, but relatively few who follow through to the point of changing their identity long term.

Kids in this category are killing themselves at alarming rates.  As much as I agree with your first instinct to have a skeptical and harsh response, this isn't drug abuse or casual sex or playing with matches or reckless driving.  This is deliberate self harm from a depressed and hopeless mental state.  Do you really think a skeptical and harsh response would be best?

(10-24-2022, 10:44 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-24-2022, 10:17 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]No, one kid having the issue isn't enough for people to talk about. How young is a young kid? And how young do they have to be to identify as a different gender without a parent or another adult encouraging them? My first instinct is if a child is identifying as a different gender before puberty, they're being manipulated.

That's my first instinct too,  but the child psychologists and such are pretty much unanimous that these kids are not being manipulated and they would be able to tell if they were.  After a while I realize my first instinct might not be correct or relevant.

I suspect there might be a large number of kids who hear about this kind of thing and wonder if they should try it out, but relatively few who follow through to the point of changing their identity long term.

Kids in this category are killing themselves at alarming rates.  As much as I agree with your first instinct to have a skeptical and harsh response, this isn't drug abuse or casual sex or playing with matches or reckless driving.  This is deliberate self harm from a depressed and hopeless mental state.  Do you really think a skeptical and harsh response would be best?

At an alarming rate? That may be a bit hyperbolic. Doesn’t it seem odd that this wasn’t an urgent social issue until the left started losing platforms to rally voters? They’re losing on crime, inflation, immigration and people are becoming increasingly weary of the constant and ever-changing aspects of racism accusations. Nothing remains but to align themselves with the nebulous world of sexual proclivity while unwittingly(?) enlisting the support of child groomers to push an agenda ‘to protect the children’. Make no mistake, the pressure children feel today about gender identity is fomented and applied by a deviant left searching for an issue to leverage purely for the sake of power and control. The fact they’re exploiting children to achieve that end is what is truly alarming - and disgusting.

(10-25-2022, 07:15 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-24-2022, 10:44 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]That's my first instinct too,  but the child psychologists and such are pretty much unanimous that these kids are not being manipulated and they would be able to tell if they were.  After a while I realize my first instinct might not be correct or relevant.

I suspect there might be a large number of kids who hear about this kind of thing and wonder if they should try it out, but relatively few who follow through to the point of changing their identity long term.

Kids in this category are killing themselves at alarming rates.  As much as I agree with your first instinct to have a skeptical and harsh response, this isn't drug abuse or casual sex or playing with matches or reckless driving.  This is deliberate self harm from a depressed and hopeless mental state.  Do you really think a skeptical and harsh response would be best?

At an alarming rate? That may be a bit hyperbolic. Doesn’t it seem odd that this wasn’t an urgent social issue until the left started losing platforms to rally voters? They’re losing on crime, inflation, immigration and people are becoming increasingly weary of the constant and ever-changing aspects of racism accusations. Nothing remains but to align themselves with the nebulous world of sexual proclivity while unwittingly(?) enlisting the support of child groomers to push an agenda ‘to protect the children’. Make no mistake, the pressure children feel today about gender identity is fomented and applied by a deviant left searching for an issue to leverage purely for the sake of power and control. The fact they’re exploiting children to achieve that end is what is truly alarming - and disgusting.

Didn't this conversation start with you criticizing Crist for avoiding the issue? Crist doesn't think talking about this issue is his path to power and control.  Biden doesn't talk about it either.

(10-25-2022, 08:11 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-25-2022, 07:15 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]At an alarming rate? That may be a bit hyperbolic. Doesn’t it seem odd that this wasn’t an urgent social issue until the left started losing platforms to rally voters? They’re losing on crime, inflation, immigration and people are becoming increasingly weary of the constant and ever-changing aspects of racism accusations. Nothing remains but to align themselves with the nebulous world of sexual proclivity while unwittingly(?) enlisting the support of child groomers to push an agenda ‘to protect the children’. Make no mistake, the pressure children feel today about gender identity is fomented and applied by a deviant left searching for an issue to leverage purely for the sake of power and control. The fact they’re exploiting children to achieve that end is what is truly alarming - and disgusting.

Didn't this conversation start with you criticizing Crist for avoiding the issue? Crist doesn't think talking about this issue is his path to power and control.  Biden doesn't talk about it either.

When the democrat party willingly sleeps with the looney left, they catch the cooties and earn the reputation.

And please don’t attempt to paint Crist and Biden as being altruistic for not addressing this issue. They don’t simply because of the fact they may turn some voters away. Their values lie in the ballot box, not protecting children from being sexualized.

(10-25-2022, 08:24 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-25-2022, 08:11 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Didn't this conversation start with you criticizing Crist for avoiding the issue? Crist doesn't think talking about this issue is his path to power and control.  Biden doesn't talk about it either.

When the democrat party willingly sleeps with the looney left, they catch the cooties and earn the reputation.

And please don’t attempt to paint Crist and Biden as being altruistic for not addressing this issue. They don’t simply because of the fact they may turn some voters away. Their values lie in the ballot box, not protecting children from being sexualized.

I'm not trying to paint them as altruistic.  I think everything Crist in particular says is a cold calculation.  I'm just saying you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.  Crist has chosen relative silence on this issue only because he thinks that's best for his chances of winning.  He is not trying to use the issue to create an advantage for himself or his party.  In fact I think the entire trans issue has been a disaster for democrats.  I didn't start believing Republicans had any chance of winning in 2016 until the Caitlin Jenner thing just wouldn't go away.  I think the Democrats just want that issue to go away.

(10-25-2022, 09:12 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-25-2022, 08:24 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]When the democrat party willingly sleeps with the looney left, they catch the cooties and earn the reputation.

And please don’t attempt to paint Crist and Biden as being altruistic for not addressing this issue. They don’t simply because of the fact they may turn some voters away. Their values lie in the ballot box, not protecting children from being sexualized.

I'm not trying to paint them as altruistic.  I think everything Crist in particular says is a cold calculation.  I'm just saying you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.  Crist has chosen relative silence on this issue only because he thinks that's best for his chances of winning.  He is not trying to use the issue to create an advantage for himself or his party.  In fact I think the entire trans issue has been a disaster for democrats.  I didn't start believing Republicans had any chance of winning in 2016 until the Caitlin Jenner thing just wouldn't go away.  I think the Democrats just want that issue to go away.

You confirmed my statement and then said I’m talking out of both sides of my mouth. Explain.

(10-25-2022, 07:15 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-24-2022, 10:44 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]That's my first instinct too,  but the child psychologists and such are pretty much unanimous that these kids are not being manipulated and they would be able to tell if they were.  After a while I realize my first instinct might not be correct or relevant.

I suspect there might be a large number of kids who hear about this kind of thing and wonder if they should try it out, but relatively few who follow through to the point of changing their identity long term.

Kids in this category are killing themselves at alarming rates.  As much as I agree with your first instinct to have a skeptical and harsh response, this isn't drug abuse or casual sex or playing with matches or reckless driving.  This is deliberate self harm from a depressed and hopeless mental state.  Do you really think a skeptical and harsh response would be best?

At an alarming rate? That may be a bit hyperbolic. Doesn’t it seem odd that this wasn’t an urgent social issue until the left started losing platforms to rally voters? They’re losing on crime, inflation, immigration and people are becoming increasingly weary of the constant and ever-changing aspects of racism accusations. Nothing remains but to align themselves with the nebulous world of sexual proclivity while unwittingly(?) enlisting the support of child groomers to push an agenda ‘to protect the children’. Make no mistake, the pressure children feel today about gender identity is fomented and applied by a deviant left searching for an issue to leverage purely for the sake of power and control. The fact they’re exploiting children to achieve that end is what is truly alarming - and disgusting.

Come on man!  When at night I hear an undocumented immigrant trying to break into my house and I call 911 but I'm put on hold because there aren't enough 911 call responders due to inflation putting pressure on local government budgets and it takes 2 hours for the police to respond for the same reason, then at least I can take comfort in knowing that our government is working 110% to ensure that our future young men and women will be steered in the direction of choosing the gender that best fits them in thier own minds. Even though my life might be over in a matter of minutes, it gives me further comfort to know that my grandchildren will receive this enlightening information at a very young age, because it's never too early in life to have your genitals mutilated and your given physiology wrecked by our all-knowing government simply on the basis of how you think you feel.

And if I'm not mistaken (I'm not), the Nazi's did forced experiments in human sterilization in the camps.  Today, we're just wrapping it up in the cloak of voluntary gender affirmation.

(10-25-2022, 09:31 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-25-2022, 09:12 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not trying to paint them as altruistic.  I think everything Crist in particular says is a cold calculation.  I'm just saying you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.  Crist has chosen relative silence on this issue only because he thinks that's best for his chances of winning.  He is not trying to use the issue to create an advantage for himself or his party.  In fact I think the entire trans issue has been a disaster for democrats.  I didn't start believing Republicans had any chance of winning in 2016 until the Caitlin Jenner thing just wouldn't go away.  I think the Democrats just want that issue to go away.

You confirmed my statement and then said I’m talking out of both sides of my mouth. Explain.

We agree that the issue is being amplified beyond proportion.   Who is amplifying it?

(10-25-2022, 10:27 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-25-2022, 09:31 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]You confirmed my statement and then said I’m talking out of both sides of my mouth. Explain.

We agree that the issue is being amplified beyond proportion.   Who is amplifying it?

When a community which identifies itself by its sexuality wants to access children, there is no disproportionate amplification.

Right before I saw this, I had a conversation with my 14 year old Son about what society is trying to do in regards to white people. First and foremost I explained to him to him to NOT define who HE is by his skin color, but on the other hand NOT too feel bad or guilty about being white. I told him, he has a rich and beautiful history that the left is trying to steal from him and that he is NOT to forget the great things his ancestors have accomplished. It pisses me off that I have to have this conversation with him, but then I saw this, and I showed this to him to illustrate my point.


https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1...ugwNu3F7sg

(10-25-2022, 11:03 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-25-2022, 10:27 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]We agree that the issue is being amplified beyond proportion.   Who is amplifying it?

When a community which identifies itself by its sexuality wants to access children, there is no disproportionate amplification.

OK so it's your side then.
Sexuality and gender are not the same.

(10-25-2022, 01:14 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-25-2022, 11:03 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]When a community which identifies itself by its sexuality wants to access children, there is no disproportionate amplification.

OK so it's your side then.
Sexuality and gender are not the same.

You can try to split that hair all you want, mister, and it ain’t gonna fly. We’re talking children, here.

On top of that, it's not even true. In no way, shape, or form is the left attempting to differentiate between sex and gender. Every once in a while, they make an attempt to placate the moderates in their party with that lie, but that's all it is.

Who knew guys that give dollar bills to strippers were only doing it to celebrate the dancer’s gender? Crazy, huh?

(10-25-2022, 01:44 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Who knew guys that give dollar bills to strippers were only doing it to celebrate the dancer’s gender? Crazy, huh?

I thought we were talking about kids with gender dysphoria.  Now you're talking about sexualization.  We can stay on topic if you want to stay on topic.