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(01-18-2022, 11:08 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]How is this for cruel irony? Unrepentant antisemite, Al Sharpton, invited to speak on the Texas Synagogue attack.  

MSNBC excoriated for inviting Al Sharpton to give commentary on Texas synagogue attack: 'Beyond parody' | Fox News

https://twitter.com/MZHemingway/status/1...gue-attack

https://twitter.com/Yochidonn/status/148...gue-attack

https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/stat...gue-attack

Sharpton actually has expressed regret over his role that riot. Probably not forcefully enough, but, he did express regret.
(01-18-2022, 12:53 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-18-2022, 11:08 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]How is this for cruel irony? Unrepentant antisemite, Al Sharpton, invited to speak on the Texas Synagogue attack.  

MSNBC excoriated for inviting Al Sharpton to give commentary on Texas synagogue attack: 'Beyond parody' | Fox News

https://twitter.com/MZHemingway/status/1...gue-attack

https://twitter.com/Yochidonn/status/148...gue-attack

https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/stat...gue-attack

Sharpton actually has expressed regret over his role that riot. Probably not forcefully enough, but, he did express regret.

Has he expressed regret for the Tawana Brawley hoax?
Expressing regret is not the same as acknowledging wrongdoing.
(01-18-2022, 05:07 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Expressing regret is not the same as acknowledging wrongdoing.

It's probably too late to acknowledge wrongdoing.  Too much time has passed, memories are too foggy.
What he could be doing is make amends. He could be helping to make sure that the next generation of people who look like him don't hate Jews.  Some folks in the area have been doing that for years, but Al hasn't.  It's a major blind spot for him, and for Jesse Jackson.
As a half Jew who grew up celebrating half of the Jewish holidays, it always bothers me how the media treats Jews as some monolithic group. Just because one Jew is outraged about something, doesn't mean all are. If I say Sarah Silverman is a jerk, that's not anti-Semitic. If I say Ariel Sharon is bad for world peace or bad for his country, that's still not anti-Semitic. Yet the media is very quick to let one Jew stand up and say, "He's an anti-Semite," and they're too confused or too scared to consider an opposite point of view, let alone present it.
(01-18-2022, 08:49 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-18-2022, 05:07 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Expressing regret is not the same as acknowledging wrongdoing.

It's probably too late to acknowledge wrongdoing.  Too much time has passed, memories are too foggy.
What he could be doing is make amends.  He could be helping to make sure that the next generation of people who look like him don't hate Jews.  Some folks in the area have been doing that for years, but Al hasn't.  It's a major blind spot for him, and for Jesse Jackson.

1) It's never too late to acknowledge wrongdoing.
2) Amends begin with admission.
(01-18-2022, 08:54 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]As a half Jew who grew up celebrating half of the Jewish holidays, it always bothers me how the media treats Jews as some monolithic group.  Just because one Jew is outraged about something, doesn't mean all are.  If I say Sarah Silverman is a jerk, that's not anti-Semitic.  If I say Ariel Sharon is bad for world peace or bad for his country, that's still not anti-Semitic.  Yet the media is very quick to let one Jew stand up and say, "He's an anti-Semite," and they're too confused or too scared to consider an opposite point of view, let alone present it.

What group is a monolith?
I don't remember where I read it, but someone made a comment concerning democrats trying to overturn the filibuster rule to pass their so-called voter rights bill as akin to an engineer wanting to temporarily remove a section of the Hoover dam.

Is there anyone on this board who honestly believes democrats will use a suppressed filibuster rule to pass only a single bill?

Anyone?
Anyone?
(01-19-2022, 10:45 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I don't remember where I read it, but someone made a comment concerning democrats trying to overturn the filibuster rule to pass their so-called voter rights bill as akin to an engineer wanting to temporarily remove a section of the Hoover dam.

Is there anyone on this board who honestly believes democrats will use a suppressed filibuster rule to pass only a single bill?

Anyone?
Anyone?

My problem with overturning the filibuster rule is that it would set a precedent where whatever party had a majority would be able to push things through more easily than before, and therefore, our national policies would swing wildly back and forth with each election.

To answer your question, of course the democrats would pass multiple bills if they overturn the filibuster rule.  And then after the midterms, the republicans would probably have a majority and they would overturn all those bills.  And back and forth we would go.  Tax cuts.  Tax cuts repealed.  Tax increase.  Tax increase repealed.  Back and forth.  Back and forth.
(01-19-2022, 11:27 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-19-2022, 10:45 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I don't remember where I read it, but someone made a comment concerning democrats trying to overturn the filibuster rule to pass their so-called voter rights bill as akin to an engineer wanting to temporarily remove a section of the Hoover dam.

Is there anyone on this board who honestly believes democrats will use a suppressed filibuster rule to pass only a single bill?

Anyone?
Anyone?

My problem with overturning the filibuster rule is that it would set a precedent where whatever party had a majority would be able to push things through more easily than before, and therefore, our national policies would swing wildly back and forth with each election.

To answer your question, of course the democrats would pass multiple bills if they overturn the filibuster rule.  And then after the midterms, the republicans would probably have a majority and they would overturn all those bills.  And back and forth we would go.  Tax cuts.  Tax cuts repealed.  Tax increase.  Tax increase repealed.  Back and forth.  Back and forth.

Which is the point Sinema, Manchin, and Republicans are making. Unfortunately, like almost every other issue, dems are trying to make it about race than logic.

But enough bigoted rationalizations from you, Bull Connor.

— Joe Biden
(01-19-2022, 11:47 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-19-2022, 11:27 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]My problem with overturning the filibuster rule is that it would set a precedent where whatever party had a majority would be able to push things through more easily than before, and therefore, our national policies would swing wildly back and forth with each election.

To answer your question, of course the democrats would pass multiple bills if they overturn the filibuster rule.  And then after the midterms, the republicans would probably have a majority and they would overturn all those bills.  And back and forth we would go.  Tax cuts.  Tax cuts repealed.  Tax increase.  Tax increase repealed.  Back and forth.  Back and forth.

Which is the point Sinema, Manchin, and Republicans are making. Unfortunately, like almost every other issue, dems are trying to make it about race than logic.

But enough bigoted rationalizations from you, Bull Connor.

— Joe Biden

Logic buys a handful of votes.
Instilling fear of the other side buys millions.
I've never thought that the Senate filibuster was a good thing. I don't buy the whiplash argument. Whiplash assumes that one year, one party controls the house, senate, and white house, and the next year the other controls all three. At worst that would only ever happen every 4 years, and it would only affect a couple of issues, not the whole breadth of the government. I just never saw any reason to give 20 out of 50 states a veto over federal law.

That said, while I think the Democrats' voting bills are somewhere between harmless and OK, I don't think they're so important that democracy dies without them. Their impact has been grossly exaggerated by people both for and against. Consider that redistricting is being done literally right now, and the Democrats' only proposal that touches on redistricting doesn't take effect until 2030. They obviously don't think these matters are that urgent either.
It’s a curious thing, but for some reason people tend to bestow wisdom and intelligence on entertainment celebrities. I don’t know why, they just do. 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/whoopi-gol...st-remarks
When you are in the public eye for all those years, you will get picked apart and that goes from the right side and the left side of politics
(02-02-2022, 01:03 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]It’s a curious thing, but for some reason people tend to bestow perceive wisdom and intelligence on entertainment celebrities. I don’t know why, they just do. 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/whoopi-gol...st-remarks

FIFY 

"Bestow" suggests that,
              a)  these people had extra wisdom to give away which is doubtful and
              b)  the wisdom was actually received by the celebrity, which is clearly not the case.

PS  The question baffles me as well.
https://youtu.be/Mn8gn03qzEY

Soft on crime.

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(02-02-2022, 11:48 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]https://youtu.be/Mn8gn03qzEY

Soft on crime.

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She is such an idiot.
(02-02-2022, 12:08 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-02-2022, 11:48 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]https://youtu.be/Mn8gn03qzEY

Soft on crime.

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She is such an idiot.

Shouldnt she be gone by now? i remember her being quoted as saying that she would step down after the end of the 1st year.

(01-18-2022, 08:49 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-18-2022, 05:07 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Expressing regret is not the same as acknowledging wrongdoing.

It's probably too late to acknowledge wrongdoing.  Too much time has passed, memories are too foggy.
What he could be doing is make amends. He could be helping to make sure that the next generation of people who look like him don't hate Jews.  Some folks in the area have been doing that for years, but Al hasn't.  It's a major blind spot for him, and for Jesse Jackson.

"Some of thier best friends are Jewish"
(02-02-2022, 01:03 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]It’s a curious thing, but for some reason people tend to bestow wisdom and intelligence on entertainment celebrities. I don’t know why, they just do. 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/whoopi-gol...st-remarks

What should have happened is the network should have brought onto the show leaders from Jewish communities and antisemitic groups to explain to Goldberg and the audience first and foremost how and why the Holocaust was about race, because for the longest time I didn't realize it was the Nazis who made it racial (I don't remember much from high school history classes). Then these folks could explain how antisemitism is a serious problem today and it comes from other minority groups. 

It's a subject that would need more than one episode to cover all of the complexities of the how and why. I think it could have been - and still could be if ABC were smart about it - used to bring the subject to an audience of people who don't know the real history either because they don't remember what was taught, or they were taught a revisionist version.

Sadly I don't see that happening and this is basically a two week paid vacation for her if what I suggested doesn't happen and she learns nothing. 

The thing that is unreal is the comments I've seen where people are saying she's speaking her truth and speaking her narrative and all sorts if crazy stuff. No! There is only one truth and one narrative and that is it was about race. It was the entire reason as per the Nazi manifesto. They saw Jews as an inferior race. I saw Jewish folks trying to explain to these misguided people why Jews were/are considered their own race but they were pretty much talking to a brick wall.
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