(10-05-2023, 05:52 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]Little victories will win this war..
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/...Gy62g&s=19
Imagine threatening the life of someone because there isn’t a symbol at a gathering place for children which “celebrates” the fact that you’re a woman who likes to eat [BLEEP] or a guy who likes to have sex with another man’s fecal orifice.
You crazy, American leftists. You crazy.
(10-05-2023, 07:22 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Evidently everything is targeting the LGBTQ+ community.
Flying American and state flags. But how does this target them?
A law that allows for the death penalty of child rapists. How? How does this target LGBTQ+ people? Because when I hear folks say that it makes me think there's something going on in that community that shouldn't be. Otherwise why be concerned?
I think we make a mistake when we take the opinions of one person and apply them to an entire community. For example, if we took a statement by Louis Farrakhan and decided from that statement that black people hate white people. If we see a black person committing a crime, that doesn't mean "black people are criminals," and if we hear a white person say something racist, that doesn't mean "white people are racists." People throw these kind of things out there all the time in an attempt to tar entire groups of people with the words of one person.
I'm sure most LGBTQ people are just trying to live their lives and probably most of them aren't thinking a whole lot about whether child rapists should get the death penalty. Nutty people say nutty things all the time. It doesn't mean that people who have some common characteristic with that nutty person are also nutty.
(10-06-2023, 05:57 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2023, 07:22 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Evidently everything is targeting the LGBTQ+ community.
Flying American and state flags. But how does this target them?
A law that allows for the death penalty of child rapists. How? How does this target LGBTQ+ people? Because when I hear folks say that it makes me think there's something going on in that community that shouldn't be. Otherwise why be concerned?
I think we make a mistake when we take the opinions of one person and apply them to an entire community. For example, if we took a statement by Louis Farrakhan and decided from that statement that black people hate white people. If we see a black person committing a crime, that doesn't mean "black people are criminals," and if we hear a white person say something racist, that doesn't mean "white people are racists." People throw these kind of things out there all the time in an attempt to tar entire groups of people with the words of one person.
I'm sure most LGBTQ people are just trying to live their lives and probably most of them aren't thinking a whole lot about whether child rapists should get the death penalty. Nutty people say nutty things all the time. It doesn't mean that people who have some common characteristic with that nutty person are also nutty.
It’s the lack of balanced statements from the moderate groups which causes the population at large to lump them all together.
The politics of our times dictate that the squeaky wheel gets the grease. ALL of the grease. Dissension amongst their ranks is met with charges of collaboration with their ideological enemies. Middle-of-the-road be damned. It’s the extremists who speak the truth.
(10-06-2023, 08:18 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2023, 05:57 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I think we make a mistake when we take the opinions of one person and apply them to an entire community. For example, if we took a statement by Louis Farrakhan and decided from that statement that black people hate white people. If we see a black person committing a crime, that doesn't mean "black people are criminals," and if we hear a white person say something racist, that doesn't mean "white people are racists." People throw these kind of things out there all the time in an attempt to tar entire groups of people with the words of one person.
I'm sure most LGBTQ people are just trying to live their lives and probably most of them aren't thinking a whole lot about whether child rapists should get the death penalty. Nutty people say nutty things all the time. It doesn't mean that people who have some common characteristic with that nutty person are also nutty.
It’s the lack of balanced statements from the moderate groups which causes the population at large to lump them all together.
The politics of our times dictate that the squeaky wheel gets the grease. ALL of the grease. Dissension amongst their ranks is met with charges of collaboration with their ideological enemies. Middle-of-the-road be damned. It’s the extremists who speak the truth.
Specifically, imo, moderates need to stop trying to adopt and entertain every carefully crafted narrative that comes down the pike. This takes voice away from minority voices that are intentionally being amplified.
(10-06-2023, 05:57 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2023, 07:22 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Evidently everything is targeting the LGBTQ+ community.
Flying American and state flags. But how does this target them?
A law that allows for the death penalty of child rapists. How? How does this target LGBTQ+ people? Because when I hear folks say that it makes me think there's something going on in that community that shouldn't be. Otherwise why be concerned?
I think we make a mistake when we take the opinions of one person and apply them to an entire community. For example, if we took a statement by Louis Farrakhan and decided from that statement that black people hate white people. If we see a black person committing a crime, that doesn't mean "black people are criminals," and if we hear a white person say something racist, that doesn't mean "white people are racists." People throw these kind of things out there all the time in an attempt to tar entire groups of people with the words of one person.
I'm sure most LGBTQ people are just trying to live their lives and probably most of them aren't thinking a whole lot about whether child rapists should get the death penalty. Nutty people say nutty things all the time. It doesn't mean that people who have some common characteristic with that nutty person are also nutty.
The silence of many often speaks louder than the words of one. The absence of any denial or objection from the people sharing the common characteristic, can be seen as implied agreement or support. Where is the rebuttal from the LGBTQ+ community?
When you want to win support for a cause, denounce those who abuse it as justification for lawless behavior. Make your response immediate, emphatic and unequivocal. Earlier this week, someone posted a video of a BLM organizer justifying the looting of upper end retailers as "reparations". Where is Colin Kaepernick now? Why haven't prominent blacks come forward to say this is not what the movement is about, we don't condone this behavior, we condemn it!
If you stand idly by, while others misrepresent your cause, then expect your cause to be misunderstood.
(10-06-2023, 08:53 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2023, 05:57 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I think we make a mistake when we take the opinions of one person and apply them to an entire community. For example, if we took a statement by Louis Farrakhan and decided from that statement that black people hate white people. If we see a black person committing a crime, that doesn't mean "black people are criminals," and if we hear a white person say something racist, that doesn't mean "white people are racists." People throw these kind of things out there all the time in an attempt to tar entire groups of people with the words of one person.
I'm sure most LGBTQ people are just trying to live their lives and probably most of them aren't thinking a whole lot about whether child rapists should get the death penalty. Nutty people say nutty things all the time. It doesn't mean that people who have some common characteristic with that nutty person are also nutty.
The silence of many often speaks louder than the words of one. The absence of any denial or objection from the people sharing the common characteristic, can be seen as implied agreement or support. Where is the rebuttal from the LGBTQ+ community?
When you want to win support for a cause, denounce those who abuse it as justification for lawless behavior. Make your response immediate, emphatic and unequivocal. Earlier this week, someone posted a video of a BLM organizer justifying the looting of upper end retailers as "reparations". Where is Colin Kaepernick now? Why haven't prominent blacks come forward to say this is not what the movement is about, we don't condone this behavior, we condemn it!
If you stand idly by, while others misrepresent your cause, then expect your cause to be misunderstood.
First of all, let's start by agreeing that this wacko woman does not speak for the LGBTQ community, if there actually is one.
Secondly, is everyone supposed to scour the internet every day looking for things that are said by people who share some characteristic with us, and denounce those things, or else they will be accepted as our opinions? I'm a white male. No one speaks for me. I don't want anyone speaking for me. I'm an individual, with my own views on things. Just because I don't denounce some other white male's published views doesn't mean I agree with them. We should give LGBTQ people the same allowance.
To take the words of this one woman, and say "it tells us there's something wrong in the LGBTQ community," perfectly meets the definition of prejudice. Just as if some white guy said something on the internet, and some black guy said, wow, "this means there's something wrong in the white community."
And besides, when you start casting people into "communities" because they share some common characteristic, aren't you doing what we routinely denounce around here- identity politics? All gays think alike, all black people think alike, all white people think alike?
Seriously, which "prominent black" needs to come forward and condemn looting? You really think that that guy who justified looting represents some "black community?"
People are so gullible. Someone finds something stupid someone said, posts it to the internet, and says, "See? That's what were fighting against!" And so many people eat that stuff up, like sheep. Because it's so easy to play on people's fears. And they do it for money.
(10-06-2023, 10:25 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2023, 08:53 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]The silence of many often speaks louder than the words of one. The absence of any denial or objection from the people sharing the common characteristic, can be seen as implied agreement or support. Where is the rebuttal from the LGBTQ+ community?
When you want to win support for a cause, denounce those who abuse it as justification for lawless behavior. Make your response immediate, emphatic and unequivocal. Earlier this week, someone posted a video of a BLM organizer justifying the looting of upper end retailers as "reparations". Where is Colin Kaepernick now? Why haven't prominent blacks come forward to say this is not what the movement is about, we don't condone this behavior, we condemn it!
If you stand idly by, while others misrepresent your cause, then expect your cause to be misunderstood.
First of all, let's start by agreeing that this wacko woman does not speak for the LGBTQ community, if there actually is one.
Secondly, is everyone supposed to scour the internet every day looking for things that are said by people who share some characteristic with us, and denounce those things, or else they will be accepted as our opinions? I'm a white male. No one speaks for me. I don't want anyone speaking for me. I'm an individual, with my own views on things. Just because I don't denounce some other white male's published views doesn't mean I agree with them. We should give LGBTQ people the same allowance.
To take the words of this one woman, and say "it tells us there's something wrong in the LGBTQ community," perfectly meets the definition of prejudice. Just as if some white guy said something on the internet, and some black guy said, wow, "this means there's something wrong in the white community."
And besides, when you start casting people into "communities" because they share some common characteristic, aren't you doing what we routinely denounce around here- identity politics? All gays think alike, all black people think alike, all white people think alike?
Seriously, which "prominent black" needs to come forward and condemn looting? You really think that that guy who justified looting represents some "black community?"
People are so gullible. Someone finds something stupid someone said, posts it to the internet, and says, "See? That's what were fighting against!" And so many people eat that stuff up, like sheep. Because it's so easy to play on people's fears. And they do it for money.
You’re comparing crimes with sociological issues. Felonious breaches of societal order do not need the condemnation of the rank and file. We know intrinsically these things are wrong (although the left is attempting to cast some of them in doubt). However, can that same legal and moral certitude be applied to the question of flying an alphabet flag on school grounds?
Edit: Once again I’ve muddled my response. Marty did not mention disagreement on crimes, only ideals.
I really need to stop commenting while my attention is divided with work.
The Chicago and New York Dems aren’t feeling so morally smug now.
(10-06-2023, 10:25 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2023, 08:53 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]The silence of many often speaks louder than the words of one. The absence of any denial or objection from the people sharing the common characteristic, can be seen as implied agreement or support. Where is the rebuttal from the LGBTQ+ community?
When you want to win support for a cause, denounce those who abuse it as justification for lawless behavior. Make your response immediate, emphatic and unequivocal. Earlier this week, someone posted a video of a BLM organizer justifying the looting of upper end retailers as "reparations". Where is Colin Kaepernick now? Why haven't prominent blacks come forward to say this is not what the movement is about, we don't condone this behavior, we condemn it!
If you stand idly by, while others misrepresent your cause, then expect your cause to be misunderstood.
First of all, let's start by agreeing that this wacko woman does not speak for the LGBTQ community, if there actually is one.
Secondly, is everyone supposed to scour the internet every day looking for things that are said by people who share some characteristic with us, and denounce those things, or else they will be accepted as our opinions? I'm a white male. No one speaks for me. I don't want anyone speaking for me. I'm an individual, with my own views on things. Just because I don't denounce some other white male's published views doesn't mean I agree with them. We should give LGBTQ people the same allowance.
To take the words of this one woman, and say "it tells us there's something wrong in the LGBTQ community," perfectly meets the definition of prejudice. Just as if some white guy said something on the internet, and some black guy said, wow, "this means there's something wrong in the white community."
And besides, when you start casting people into "communities" because they share some common characteristic, aren't you doing what we routinely denounce around here- identity politics? All gays think alike, all black people think alike, all white people think alike?
Seriously, which "prominent black" needs to come forward and condemn looting? You really think that that guy who justified looting represents some "black community?"
People are so gullible. Someone finds something stupid someone said, posts it to the internet, and says, "See? That's what were fighting against!" And so many people eat that stuff up, like sheep. Because it's so easy to play on people's fears. And they do it for money.
If I champion a cause and some nut job misrepresents said cause then damn straight skippy I am separating myself and my cause from them.
I find it telling that you don’t feel the same way when it comes to anything Trump.
(10-06-2023, 05:57 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2023, 07:22 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Evidently everything is targeting the LGBTQ+ community.
Flying American and state flags. But how does this target them?
A law that allows for the death penalty of child rapists. How? How does this target LGBTQ+ people? Because when I hear folks say that it makes me think there's something going on in that community that shouldn't be. Otherwise why be concerned?
I think we make a mistake when we take the opinions of one person and apply them to an entire community. For example, if we took a statement by Louis Farrakhan and decided from that statement that black people hate white people. If we see a black person committing a crime, that doesn't mean "black people are criminals," and if we hear a white person say something racist, that doesn't mean "white people are racists." People throw these kind of things out there all the time in an attempt to tar entire groups of people with the words of one person.
I'm sure most LGBTQ people are just trying to live their lives and probably most of them aren't thinking a whole lot about whether child rapists should get the death penalty. Nutty people say nutty things all the time. It doesn't mean that people who have some common characteristic with that nutty person are also nutty.
Okay, so the people who are screaming the loudest are the ones who are guilty. That tweet is not the first or second place I've read about people concerned about that law targeting the LGBTQ community.
(10-06-2023, 09:57 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2023, 05:57 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I think we make a mistake when we take the opinions of one person and apply them to an entire community. For example, if we took a statement by Louis Farrakhan and decided from that statement that black people hate white people. If we see a black person committing a crime, that doesn't mean "black people are criminals," and if we hear a white person say something racist, that doesn't mean "white people are racists." People throw these kind of things out there all the time in an attempt to tar entire groups of people with the words of one person.
I'm sure most LGBTQ people are just trying to live their lives and probably most of them aren't thinking a whole lot about whether child rapists should get the death penalty. Nutty people say nutty things all the time. It doesn't mean that people who have some common characteristic with that nutty person are also nutty.
Okay, so the people who are screaming the loudest are the ones who are guilty. That tweet is not the first or second place I've read about people concerned about that law targeting the LGBTQ community.
Or they're all fake accounts. Just people trying to start drama.
So many of our "informed" just repeat what their told. The problem with "moderates" in a nutshell:
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