Democrats aren't the problem..
(11-23-2024, 12:52 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Further I am trying to get you to see the reasons you hate Democrats, going back before Trump, are also mostly distractions that don't really affect your family's life and aren't really things for government to worry about anyways.
And when you come to the voting booth with only hate for what you are voting against, you send a clear message to your own party that they can nominate worse and worse people.
Further we need to pick not just a President but members of Congress who want to do something and actually work together to use the power that the constitution gives them.
We need to change our voting system to one that really allows people to vote for something rather than against something, so they feel heard rather than attacked. That system will then favor people in Congress who actually try to do the job rather than people who try to audition for TV news (cough Joe Scarborough cough). Ranked choice voting with Copeland counting is the best way, but anything's better than what we are stuck with now.
(11-23-2024, 12:39 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]All you ever tried to do here is be a contrarian.. That's your whole modus operandi, you’ve openely admitted it a few times..
I never admitted to being a contrarian.
All I said is I'm more likely to stay quiet if I already agree with what has been said, and I'm more likely to post if nobody has spoken up for my point of view yet.
But I actually have a point of view and I don't change it just anger you. You are not that important. No one is.
Yes, you have.. And I'm sure a few on here can back me up. And I'm not digging through months and months of your bull [BLEEP] to prove it. You prove it with every post.
(11-23-2024, 12:31 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2024, 11:57 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]TDOSS doesn't make you question your belief of TDS at all?
Not at all. He's just exasperated and new to this. Other corners of the Internet don't have Trumpers banding together and sticking up for each other. He thought if he hit you with enough facts you'd see something his way. Not how it works around here. There are too many of you and too few of him. That's just a here thing. It's not a Trump disorder thing.
All I've ever tried to get people here to see is that Trump is always going to come up with a new thing, a new persecution complex, to distract you from the fact that he accomplished very little and understands less when it comes to governance. I'm not asking you to change your policy preferences or your worldview, and I think TDoss is. I've just hoped to get you to recognize that, whatever good thing you think Trump will do, he won't do it, and he will distract you with a sideshow while he doesn't do it.
just something to chew on....
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/tru...lishments/
(11-23-2024, 01:11 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2024, 12:31 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Not at all. He's just exasperated and new to this. Other corners of the Internet don't have Trumpers banding together and sticking up for each other. He thought if he hit you with enough facts you'd see something his way. Not how it works around here. There are too many of you and too few of him. That's just a here thing. It's not a Trump disorder thing.
All I've ever tried to get people here to see is that Trump is always going to come up with a new thing, a new persecution complex, to distract you from the fact that he accomplished very little and understands less when it comes to governance. I'm not asking you to change your policy preferences or your worldview, and I think TDoss is. I've just hoped to get you to recognize that, whatever good thing you think Trump will do, he won't do it, and he will distract you with a sideshow while he doesn't do it.
just something to chew on....
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/tru...lishments/
If you ever wanted to know what talking points NPR or MSNBC are using, just read a Mike post lol
(11-23-2024, 12:57 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]Democrats aren't the problem..
(11-23-2024, 12:52 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Further I am trying to get you to see the reasons you hate Democrats, going back before Trump, are also mostly distractions that don't really affect your family's life and aren't really things for government to worry about anyways.
And when you come to the voting booth with only hate for what you are voting against, you send a clear message to your own party that they can nominate worse and worse people.
Further we need to pick not just a President but members of Congress who want to do something and actually work together to use the power that the constitution gives them.
We need to change our voting system to one that really allows people to vote for something rather than against something, so they feel heard rather than attacked. That system will then favor people in Congress who actually try to do the job rather than people who try to audition for TV news (cough Joe Scarborough cough). Ranked choice voting with Copeland counting is the best way, but anything's better than what we are stuck with now.
I never admitted to being a contrarian.
All I said is I'm more likely to stay quiet if I already agree with what has been said, and I'm more likely to post if nobody has spoken up for my point of view yet.
But I actually have a point of view and I don't change it just anger you. You are not that important. No one is.
Yes, you have.. And I'm sure a few on here can back me up. And I'm not digging through months and months of your bull [BLEEP] to prove it. You prove it with every post.
If you see me post something that you disagree with, you don't have to reply. Makes you seem like a... What's the word... You know.
(11-23-2024, 01:11 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2024, 12:31 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Not at all. He's just exasperated and new to this. Other corners of the Internet don't have Trumpers banding together and sticking up for each other. He thought if he hit you with enough facts you'd see something his way. Not how it works around here. There are too many of you and too few of him. That's just a here thing. It's not a Trump disorder thing.
All I've ever tried to get people here to see is that Trump is always going to come up with a new thing, a new persecution complex, to distract you from the fact that he accomplished very little and understands less when it comes to governance. I'm not asking you to change your policy preferences or your worldview, and I think TDoss is. I've just hoped to get you to recognize that, whatever good thing you think Trump will do, he won't do it, and he will distract you with a sideshow while he doesn't do it.
just something to chew on....
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/tru...lishments/
I have always said Presidents get too much credit when the economy is good, and too much blame when it is bad. Just because that's an unpopular opinion doesn't mean it's wrong.
(11-23-2024, 12:57 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]Democrats aren't the problem..
(11-23-2024, 12:52 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Further I am trying to get you to see the reasons you hate Democrats, going back before Trump, are also mostly distractions that don't really affect your family's life and aren't really things for government to worry about anyways.
And when you come to the voting booth with only hate for what you are voting against, you send a clear message to your own party that they can nominate worse and worse people.
Further we need to pick not just a President but members of Congress who want to do something and actually work together to use the power that the constitution gives them.
We need to change our voting system to one that really allows people to vote for something rather than against something, so they feel heard rather than attacked. That system will then favor people in Congress who actually try to do the job rather than people who try to audition for TV news (cough Joe Scarborough cough). Ranked choice voting with Copeland counting is the best way, but anything's better than what we are stuck with now.
I never admitted to being a contrarian.
All I said is I'm more likely to stay quiet if I already agree with what has been said, and I'm more likely to post if nobody has spoken up for my point of view yet.
But I actually have a point of view and I don't change it just anger you. You are not that important. No one is.
Yes, you have.. And I'm sure a few on here can back me up. And I'm not digging through months and months of your bull [BLEEP] to prove it. You prove it with every post.
He said he was doing it to keep things balanced on here cuz there’s more of “us” than them…as if this isn’t what he believes or anything cuz he’s really a republican. No, really, he is.
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(11-23-2024, 03:49 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2024, 12:57 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]Democrats aren't the problem..
Yes, you have.. And I'm sure a few on here can back me up. And I'm not digging through months and months of your bull [BLEEP] to prove it. You prove it with every post.
He said he was doing it to keep things balanced on here cuz there’s more of “us” than them…as if this isn’t what he believes or anything cuz he’s really a republican. No, really, he is.
If I said anything about balance I was joking.
I am a Republican. But I'm not a Trumper. This place could use some more never Trumpers like me and also some Democrats. But I'll stick around and say my sincere beliefs regardless.
(11-23-2024, 04:09 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2024, 03:49 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]He said he was doing it to keep things balanced on here cuz there’s more of “us” than them…as if this isn’t what he believes or anything cuz he’s really a republican. No, really, he is.
If I said anything about balance I was joking.
I am a Republican. But I'm not a Trumper. This place could use some more never Trumpers like me and also some Democrats. But I'll stick around and say my sincere beliefs regardless.
Search your posts, you have said it more than once. Winger and I aren’t the only ones on here who remember it.
(11-23-2024, 04:13 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2024, 04:09 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]If I said anything about balance I was joking.
I am a Republican. But I'm not a Trumper. This place could use some more never Trumpers like me and also some Democrats. But I'll stick around and say my sincere beliefs regardless.
Search your posts, you have said it more than once. Winger and I aren’t the only ones on here who remember it.
I only say things I actually believe or otherwise obvious jokes. I have never said otherwise.
(11-23-2024, 04:24 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2024, 04:13 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]Search your posts, you have said it more than once. Winger and I aren’t the only ones on here who remember it.
I only say things I actually believe or otherwise obvious jokes. I have never said otherwise.
She's spanked ya, dude lolol
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Oh wow, Mikesez let the mask slip again, hmm?
Shocking.
(11-23-2024, 04:45 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Oh wow, Mikesez let the mask slip again, hmm?
Shocking.
There's never been a mask. Which post did it supposedly slip?
(11-23-2024, 11:53 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2024, 10:28 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]You hit your talking points while avoiding the premise. 'Hillary got more votes than him last time'...what?
The thrust of my argument is the MSM is the primary stoker of TDS, which is exactly what they did the last time he was elected. There were nationwide protests and sky screamers and in the middle of it all were MSM talking heads prodding it forward by predicting doom and gloom. From day one after his election, the media were in attack mode. Do you honestly believe the far left is silent now because they don't want to be seen as opposing democracy? Seriously?
Or you could admit the MSM undermined its own credibility by peddling fantasy scenarios to its adherents during this election campaign. How can they be taken seriously to lead the charge against Trump when the people they hope to lead are leaving them in droves because the MSM lied to them?
Let's just take a page from their own book and call the MSM "reality deniers".
See, I don't watch TV news and I don't think TDS is a real thing.
I read stuff.
And in the text space, there was a lot of angst about Hillary getting more votes, about Trump potentially trying to do illegal things, about Trump potentially being in bed with Russia, and about Trump being dishonest about his true intentions. We didn't know if key Republicans would split from him and maybe split the GOP.
Today we know what we know.
We know he tried to get Zelensky to prosecute Biden.
We know he freely shared secret info with Sergei Lavrov, on camera.
We know his first two efforts to prevent terrorists from entering were ruled to be racist and overreaching, though he did eventually strike the right balance.
We know he told people to go to the Capitol, watched them get violent, and didn't tell them to leave for three hours.
We know that 90% of Republicans will cheer him on.
And in our election we decided that was all OK. There's nothing to be anxious about. If Trump's second term is like the first, it will be what the people wanted. Let the people have what they want.
And for God's sake if you don't like what the TV is saying, just turn it off next time.
Don't go around with your own anxiety that it's giving people a mental illness that somebody just made up. Don't go around diagnosing people you don't know who don't watch TV with TV-induced mental illness just because they disagree with you.
Wait a minute Mike. Have you not spent years telling us all that you saw an insurrection take place on live TV?
As far as getting your news, might I suggest subscribing to 1440.
(11-23-2024, 05:51 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2024, 11:53 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]See, I don't watch TV news and I don't think TDS is a real thing.
I read stuff.
And in the text space, there was a lot of angst about Hillary getting more votes, about Trump potentially trying to do illegal things, about Trump potentially being in bed with Russia, and about Trump being dishonest about his true intentions. We didn't know if key Republicans would split from him and maybe split the GOP.
Today we know what we know.
We know he tried to get Zelensky to prosecute Biden.
We know he freely shared secret info with Sergei Lavrov, on camera.
We know his first two efforts to prevent terrorists from entering were ruled to be racist and overreaching, though he did eventually strike the right balance.
We know he told people to go to the Capitol, watched them get violent, and didn't tell them to leave for three hours.
We know that 90% of Republicans will cheer him on.
And in our election we decided that was all OK. There's nothing to be anxious about. If Trump's second term is like the first, it will be what the people wanted. Let the people have what they want.
And for God's sake if you don't like what the TV is saying, just turn it off next time.
Don't go around with your own anxiety that it's giving people a mental illness that somebody just made up. Don't go around diagnosing people you don't know who don't watch TV with TV-induced mental illness just because they disagree with you.
Wait a minute Mike. Have you not spent years telling us all that you saw an insurrection take place on live TV?
As far as getting your news, might I suggest subscribing to 1440.
I did. I turn on the TV if I think there is a fluid, fast moving situation that I will want to see live. I read that the insurrection was taking place. I turned on the TV to confirm.
(11-23-2024, 12:43 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2024, 12:39 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]All you ever tried to do here is be a contrarian.. That's your whole modus operandi, you’ve openely admitted it a few times..
But wouldn't it be boring if everyone agreed with everyone else all the time? What kind of conversation would that be?
I used to have a coworker that he and I could have spirited and respectful conversations about politics. If either of us became too emotional the other was able to call a timeout and we would reconvene after cooling down. We challenged each others positions and beliefs which either strengthened our position or made us concede the point. The key was the mutual respect we shared. I miss that and had hoped to experience that again once this forum was created. Unfortunately since we don’t actually know each on a personal level we far too often delve into personal attacks. I am as guilty as the rest.
With that said, I do still try and respect those of you that disagree with my point of view. TDOSS is an exception though. This poster has zero desire have an intelligent conversation.
(11-23-2024, 12:52 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Further I am trying to get you to see the reasons you hate Democrats, going back before Trump, are also mostly distractions that don't really affect your family's life and aren't really things for government to worry about anyways.
And when you come to the voting booth with only hate for what you are voting against, you send a clear message to your own party that they can nominate worse and worse people.
Further we need to pick not just a President but members of Congress who want to do something and actually work together to use the power that the constitution gives them.
We need to change our voting system to one that really allows people to vote for something rather than against something, so they feel heard rather than attacked. That system will then favor people in Congress who actually try to do the job rather than people who try to audition for TV news (cough Joe Scarborough cough). Ranked choice voting with Copeland counting is the best way, but anything's better than what we are stuck with now.
(11-23-2024, 12:39 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]All you ever tried to do here is be a contrarian.. That's your whole modus operandi, you’ve openely admitted it a few times..
I never admitted to being a contrarian.
All I said is I'm more likely to stay quiet if I already agree with what has been said, and I'm more likely to post if nobody has spoken up for my point of view yet.
But I actually have a point of view and I don't change it just anger you. You are not that important. No one is.
Um yes you have. Don’t ask for a link but you certainly have.
(11-23-2024, 07:13 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2024, 12:52 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Further I am trying to get you to see the reasons you hate Democrats, going back before Trump, are also mostly distractions that don't really affect your family's life and aren't really things for government to worry about anyways.
And when you come to the voting booth with only hate for what you are voting against, you send a clear message to your own party that they can nominate worse and worse people.
Further we need to pick not just a President but members of Congress who want to do something and actually work together to use the power that the constitution gives them.
We need to change our voting system to one that really allows people to vote for something rather than against something, so they feel heard rather than attacked. That system will then favor people in Congress who actually try to do the job rather than people who try to audition for TV news (cough Joe Scarborough cough). Ranked choice voting with Copeland counting is the best way, but anything's better than what we are stuck with now.
I never admitted to being a contrarian.
All I said is I'm more likely to stay quiet if I already agree with what has been said, and I'm more likely to post if nobody has spoken up for my point of view yet.
But I actually have a point of view and I don't change it just anger you. You are not that important. No one is.
Um yes you have. Don’t ask for a link but you certainly have.
Sorry. You can't prove it, it didn't happen.
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