The Democrats have gone Radio Silent on this issue lately........ Hmmmmmmmmmmmm......................... I wonder why??????
Dem immigration talking points fizzle as dark picture of Abrego Garcia emerges
'The fact that they went to the mat for this guy just shows exactly who they are,' DHS Secretary Noem said of Democrats defending Abrego Garcia
Democrats rallying around illegal immigrant KIlmar Abrego Garcia are facing a narrative reckoning as allegations of violent and criminal behavior mount against the man they made a poster child in the fight against President Trump's mass deportations.
In recent weeks, evidence has emerged that Abrego Garcia beat his wife and was caught trafficking migrants during his time living illegally in Maryland. He has since been deported to El Salvador, where several Democrats, including Maryland Sen. Chris Van Hollen, have rushed to meet with him and decry what they say was a lack of due process extended to him.
"The fact that they went to the mat for this guy just shows exactly who they are," Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said on "Fox & Friends Weekend" on Saturday. "That they are people who don't put America first. They don't care about our citizens and protecting our communities. So, I'm glad that the onion's been peeled back and that their true motivations have been revealed, and this is just one of the cases that we're getting off the streets."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem-imm...ego-garcia
(05-05-2025, 08:22 AM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]The Democrats have gone Radio Silent on this issue lately........ Hmmmmmmmmmmmm......................... I wonder why??????
Dem immigration talking points fizzle as dark picture of Abrego Garcia emerges
'The fact that they went to the mat for this guy just shows exactly who they are,' DHS Secretary Noem said of Democrats defending Abrego Garcia
Democrats rallying around illegal immigrant KIlmar Abrego Garcia are facing a narrative reckoning as allegations of violent and criminal behavior mount against the man they made a poster child in the fight against President Trump's mass deportations.
In recent weeks, evidence has emerged that Abrego Garcia beat his wife and was caught trafficking migrants during his time living illegally in Maryland. He has since been deported to El Salvador, where several Democrats, including Maryland Sen. Chris Van Hollen, have rushed to meet with him and decry what they say was a lack of due process extended to him.
"The fact that they went to the mat for this guy just shows exactly who they are," Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said on "Fox & Friends Weekend" on Saturday. "That they are people who don't put America first. They don't care about our citizens and protecting our communities. So, I'm glad that the onion's been peeled back and that their true motivations have been revealed, and this is just one of the cases that we're getting off the streets."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem-imm...ego-garcia
Yea, I can hear the beeper of the truck backing up. A big switch from a "Maryland Man" and good father to the rule of law. They only picked him for exploitation. A way to slow the enforcement of current immigration law. Those people supporting their position will just have to live with the blood of our citizens killed on their hands due to this. The robberies and rapes as well. This happens when you let people into the country willy-nilly (a technical term lol) like they did. I posted the process previously in this string. That is the law. If you are here illegally you made a bad decision, we all make those in life and have to live with the consequences.
(05-05-2025, 10:27 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-05-2025, 08:22 AM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]The Democrats have gone Radio Silent on this issue lately........ Hmmmmmmmmmmmm......................... I wonder why??????
Dem immigration talking points fizzle as dark picture of Abrego Garcia emerges
'The fact that they went to the mat for this guy just shows exactly who they are,' DHS Secretary Noem said of Democrats defending Abrego Garcia
Democrats rallying around illegal immigrant KIlmar Abrego Garcia are facing a narrative reckoning as allegations of violent and criminal behavior mount against the man they made a poster child in the fight against President Trump's mass deportations.
In recent weeks, evidence has emerged that Abrego Garcia beat his wife and was caught trafficking migrants during his time living illegally in Maryland. He has since been deported to El Salvador, where several Democrats, including Maryland Sen. Chris Van Hollen, have rushed to meet with him and decry what they say was a lack of due process extended to him.
"The fact that they went to the mat for this guy just shows exactly who they are," Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said on "Fox & Friends Weekend" on Saturday. "That they are people who don't put America first. They don't care about our citizens and protecting our communities. So, I'm glad that the onion's been peeled back and that their true motivations have been revealed, and this is just one of the cases that we're getting off the streets."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem-imm...ego-garcia
Yea, I can hear the beeper of the truck backing up. A big switch from a "Maryland Man" and good father to the rule of law. They only picked him for exploitation. A way to slow the enforcement of current immigration law. Those people supporting their position will just have to live with the blood of our citizens killed on their hands due to this. The robberies and rapes as well. This happens when you let people into the country willy-nilly (a technical term lol) like they did. I posted the process previously in this string. That is the law. If you are here illegally you made a bad decision, we all make those in life and have to live with the consequences.
If there is cause to hold him in a US jail to await trial for crimes he committed in the US, why didn't we do that first, before summarily deporting him to another country's prison with no trial?
(05-05-2025, 11:28 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (05-05-2025, 10:27 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Yea, I can hear the beeper of the truck backing up. A big switch from a "Maryland Man" and good father to the rule of law. They only picked him for exploitation. A way to slow the enforcement of current immigration law. Those people supporting their position will just have to live with the blood of our citizens killed on their hands due to this. The robberies and rapes as well. This happens when you let people into the country willy-nilly (a technical term lol) like they did. I posted the process previously in this string. That is the law. If you are here illegally you made a bad decision, we all make those in life and have to live with the consequences.
If there is cause to hold him in a US jail to await trial for crimes he committed in the US, why didn't we do that first, before summarily deporting him to another country's prison with no trial?
It's called saving the taxpayers money in the long run.......... I guess everything needs to be spelled out for you.......
(05-05-2025, 11:46 AM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ] (05-05-2025, 11:28 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]If there is cause to hold him in a US jail to await trial for crimes he committed in the US, why didn't we do that first, before summarily deporting him to another country's prison with no trial?
It's called saving the taxpayers money in the long run.......... I guess everything needs to be spelled out for you.......
If saving money was the only concern, we should have just shot the guy on the street I guess.
Obviously there are more concerns than just saving money. Don't be stupid.
(05-05-2025, 12:19 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (05-05-2025, 11:46 AM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]It's called saving the taxpayers money in the long run.......... I guess everything needs to be spelled out for you.......
If saving money was the only concern, we should have just shot the guy on the street I guess.
Obviously there are more concerns than just saving money. Don't be stupid.
If you want these type of people in the country, fine, give them the key to your house and give them a room, and do it all without running a background or credit check, because that's exactly how they come in, without being vetted. They have NO RIGHT to be in this country in the 1st place so.... why should they get a trial here before we send them packing?????
(05-05-2025, 01:47 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ] (05-05-2025, 12:19 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]If saving money was the only concern, we should have just shot the guy on the street I guess.
Obviously there are more concerns than just saving money. Don't be stupid.
If you want these type of people in the country, fine, give them the key to your house and give them a room, and do it all without running a background or credit check, because that's exactly how they come in, without being vetted. They have NO RIGHT to be in this country in the 1st place so.... why should they get a trial here before we send them packing?????
Because no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.
There is one way to get the left from advocating for this dirt bag. Just say he supported a Republican candidate or cause. They would burn him in effigy tomorrow.
(05-05-2025, 04:52 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (05-05-2025, 01:47 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]If you want these type of people in the country, fine, give them the key to your house and give them a room, and do it all without running a background or credit check, because that's exactly how they come in, without being vetted. They have NO RIGHT to be in this country in the 1st place so.... why should they get a trial here before we send them packing?????
Because no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.
Tell that to the VICTIMS of these illegals.......... They didn't use "Due Process" to enter this country, so why should they be entitled to "Due Process" when we send them packing???????
(05-05-2025, 06:40 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ] (05-05-2025, 04:52 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Because no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.
Tell that to the VICTIMS of these illegals.......... They didn't use "Due Process" to enter this country, so why should they be entitled to "Due Process" when we send them packing???????
Did you know that, in the 1930s, Jews in Germany committed a lot of crimes? It wasn't much more than other groups in Germany committed, yet the Nazi party at the time made sure to emphasize every crime any Jew allegedly participated in, to justify their Nazi actions.
The 5th amendment doesn't say you have to be a citizen or legal immigrant to get due process of law. You only have to be a person.
(05-04-2025, 06:18 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (05-04-2025, 02:41 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]Illegal immigrants only have protection under the 5th and 14th from imprisonment in the U.S. We cannot and should not be responsible for the criminal justice systems in other countries. If an illegal doesn't want to take the risk of deportation to his/her country of origin, perhaps he/she should not come here.
Forget what the Leftist media is telling you to believe and think it through on your own for once and tell me where your argument ends. We offer trial by jury; can we deport to a country that holds trial by judge? What's the definition of due process and who offers it to our standards? Does Italy qualify? Amand Knox would say no.
Finally you're asking the real questions!
It may not always be clear cut which countries offer due process to criminals and which don't. While a jury is a key part of our system, most of the world uses Napoleonic based systems that don't rely on juries. Napoleonic systems can easily be corrupted, but so can jury based systems, most famously in the Jim Crow South. Suppose there was a foreign country operating somewhere on earth that was an exact copy of Mississippi in the 1930s. It might be OK to deport a white person back to such a place, but not a black person. We would have to judge it case by case, we would have to develop guidelines.
It's above my pay grade, and it's above yours.
Immigration judges work on this stuff every day and they know what to do.
And as usual, you're unable to provide any substantive answers. Millions of immigrants and the best you can suggest is to evaluate countries acceptable for deportation on a case-by-case basis. LOL, they'll die of old age before their cases are heard. Will they be jailed pending their hearings? Will they be represented by legal counsel? Do you have a vision of your own, or are you just regurgitating the party rhetoric?
(05-05-2025, 09:45 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (05-04-2025, 06:18 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Finally you're asking the real questions!
It may not always be clear cut which countries offer due process to criminals and which don't. While a jury is a key part of our system, most of the world uses Napoleonic based systems that don't rely on juries. Napoleonic systems can easily be corrupted, but so can jury based systems, most famously in the Jim Crow South. Suppose there was a foreign country operating somewhere on earth that was an exact copy of Mississippi in the 1930s. It might be OK to deport a white person back to such a place, but not a black person. We would have to judge it case by case, we would have to develop guidelines.
It's above my pay grade, and it's above yours.
Immigration judges work on this stuff every day and they know what to do.
And as usual, you're unable to provide any substantive answers. Millions of immigrants and the best you can suggest is to evaluate countries acceptable for deportation on a case-by-case basis. LOL, they'll die of old age before their cases are heard. Will they be jailed pending their hearings? Will they be represented by legal counsel? Do you have a vision of your own, or are you just regurgitating the party rhetoric?
We should never have let it get this bad. We should have made it easier to immigrate legally. We should have had real punishments for people who hired illegal labor. We can still do both of these things today.
But violating the Constitution to "fix" the problem is like throwing a brick at a window to kill a fly.
(05-05-2025, 05:15 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Former blue county sheriff unleashes on Dems after switching parties: 'Party of paid protests'
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Former Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva is now a registered Republican after leaving the Democratic Party.
"As of today, I’m leaving the party of paid protests, purple hair, and pronouns. And I’m joining the party of faith, family, and freedom — the Republican Party," Villanueva told the Unite Inland Empire Conservative Conference on Saturday.
"Today I announced ending 44 years as a registered Dem and joining the [GOP] Time to make [California] purple again!" he posted to X…
I am thinking the paid protesters must be independent contractors to make it hard to unionize them. What do you think?
(05-05-2025, 08:34 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (05-05-2025, 06:40 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]Tell that to the VICTIMS of these illegals.......... They didn't use "Due Process" to enter this country, so why should they be entitled to "Due Process" when we send them packing???????
Did you know that, in the 1930s, Jews in Germany committed a lot of crimes? It wasn't much more than other groups in Germany committed, yet the Nazi party at the time made sure to emphasize every crime any Jew allegedly participated in, to justify their Nazi actions.
The 5th amendment doesn't say you have to be a citizen or legal immigrant to get due process of law. You only have to be a person.
You're historying and constitutioning wrong; it ain't for the benefit of we the people, it's for righthinking white american transvestites and their sympathizers only.
Get it right.
(05-05-2025, 08:34 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (05-05-2025, 06:40 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]Tell that to the VICTIMS of these illegals.......... They didn't use "Due Process" to enter this country, so why should they be entitled to "Due Process" when we send them packing???????
Did you know that, in the 1930s, Jews in Germany committed a lot of crimes? It wasn't much more than other groups in Germany committed, yet the Nazi party at the time made sure to emphasize every crime any Jew allegedly participated in, to justify their Nazi actions.
The 5th amendment doesn't say you have to be a citizen or legal immigrant to get due process of law. You only have to be a person.
Incorrect. The 5th does not say anything about illegals. The USSC never said it does. This actually has not been decided yet. To get techincal the Constitution say "We the people of the United States" . Illegals are not people of the United States,(citizens) they are gate crashing felons.
(05-06-2025, 12:26 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-05-2025, 08:34 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Did you know that, in the 1930s, Jews in Germany committed a lot of crimes? It wasn't much more than other groups in Germany committed, yet the Nazi party at the time made sure to emphasize every crime any Jew allegedly participated in, to justify their Nazi actions.
The 5th amendment doesn't say you have to be a citizen or legal immigrant to get due process of law. You only have to be a person.
Incorrect. The 5th does not say anything about illegals. The USSC never said it does. This actually has not been decided yet. To get techincal the Constitution say "We the people of the United States" . Illegals are not people of the United States,(citizens) they are gate crashing felons.
There were no restrictions on immigration in any state when the Constitution was adopted.
You're right that the preamble says "the people of the United States" but the 5th amendment says "any person."
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