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Yes it is. below from the article are the sponsors by state. This is not the people it is the Democratic party.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/asra-nom...s-protests


Here’s just a glimpse of the geographic footprint of Democratic National Committee club and committee activity. It’s dense, but I share it so you can know we have the receipts:

Arizona: Apache Junction: Pinal County Democratic Party; Flagstaff: Coconino County Democratic Party and Indivisible Northern AZ; Show Low: Navajo County Democratic Party; Window Rock: Apache County Democratic Party.
California: Auburn: Auburn Area Democrats; Bakersfield: California Democratic Party; Big Bear Lake: Democratic Club of Big Bear Valley; Chico: Butte County Democratic Party Central Committee; Chino Hills: California Democratic Party; Dana Point: Democratic Party of Orange County, Democratic Women of South Orange County; East Bay: Alameda County Dems, Wellstone Democratic Renewal Club; Huntington Beach; Joshua Tree: Democrats of the Morongo Basin; Laguna Beach: Laguna Beach Democratic Club; Los Angeles County: Swing Left; Marysville: Yuba Dems; Newport Beach: Newport Beach Women’s Democratic Club; Oakland: ; Rancho Cordova: America River Democrats Club; Redlands: Redlands Area Democratic Club; Riverside: Democrats of Greater Riverside; San Francisco: San Francisco Democratic Party; San Jose: California Democratic Party; San Rafael: California Democratic Party; Santa Clara: Santa Clara County Democratic Party; Seal Beach: Democratic Club of Seal Beach, Seal Beach Leisure World Democratic Club; Sebastopol; Sunnyvale: Sunnyvale Democratic Club; Tehachapi: California Democratic Party; Victorville:High Desert Progressive Democrats.
District of Columbia: DC Ward 8 Democrats
Florida: Casselberry: Seminole County Democratic Party; Englewood: Sarasota County Democratic Party; Fort Walton Beach: Okaloosa Democrats; Ft Lauderdale: Broward Democratic Party; Gainesville: Alachua County Democratic Party; Naples: Collier County DEC; Palm Beach Gardens: Palm Beach County Democratic Party; Pensacola: Escambia Democratic Party; Sarasota: Sarasota County Democratic Party; Tallahassee; Venice: Sarasota County Democratic Party.
Georgia: Atlanta: DeKalb County Democrats; Brunswick: Democratic Party of Georgia; Dalton: Douglasville: Volunteer organized for Democratic Party of Georgia; Griffin; Hiawassee: Towns County Democrats; Hiram: Paulding Democrats; Rome: Democratic Party of Georgia
Illinois: DeKalb: DeKalb County Democratic Party IL; Princeton: Bureau County Democratic Party.
Indiana: Auburn: Indiana DeKalb County Democratic Party; Connersville: Indiana Fayette County Democratic Party; Nashville: Indiana 9th District Democratic Party; New Albany: Indiana Floyd County Democratic Party.
Maryland: Easton: Talbot Democrats.
Michigan: Lansing: Ingham County Democratic Party.
Nebraska: Alliance, Columbus, Kearney, Scottsbluff: Nebraska Democratic Party:
New Hampshire: Enfield: New Hampshire Democratic Party.
New York: New York City: Manhattan Young Democrats.
North Carolina: Asheboro: Randolph County Democratic Party; Edenton: North Carolina Democratic Party.
Oklahoma: OKDems, Oklahoma Democratic Party, Federation of Oklahoma Latin Democrats.
Ohio: Dayton: Green County Ohio Democratic Party; Warren: Trumbull County Democratic Party.
South Carolina: Bluffton, Hilton Head Island: Beaufort County Democratic Party.
South Dakota: Aberdeen, Sioux Falls, Spearfish, Yankton: South Dakota Democratic Party.
Tennessee: Knoxville: KnoxDems, Knox County Democratic Party.
Texas: McKinney: Collin County Democratic Party; San Antonio: Comal County Democratic Party.
Wisconsin: Platteville: WisDems.

What does this list tell us? This is a party infrastructure, not a protest movement. Let’s be honest: this isn’t about stopping a "king." It’s about protecting a political party.
At least somebody in L.A. gets it.........

LA anti-ICE rioters will be met with force as ‘idiot’ Gov Newsom fuels fire: police union boss
LAPD's union head Jamie McBride blasted California Gov. Newsom for 'pouring fuel on the fire' during recent riots

The director of the Los Angeles Police Department's union slammed city and state leadership while issuing a stark warning to would-be anti-Immigration and Customs Enforcement rioters.

Jamie McBride is an LAPD detective with 35 years of experience on the force. He now leads the Los Angeles Police Protective League, representing the city's officers.

"If you come down here and you are not having a peaceful protest, if you resort to any type of violence, you will go to jail, we will find you. There's plenty of cameras out there," McBride told Fox News Digital.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/la-anti-ice-r...union-boss
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House Oversight Seeks Testimony From George Soros, Neville Singham on Alleged Riot Funding

The Republican-led House Oversight Committee has demanded documents and sworn testimony from philanthropist George Soros and software entrepreneur Neville Roy Singham as part of an inquiry into alleged financing of violent protests and left-wing activist groups, according to Rep. Anna Paulina Luna.

Letters dated 13 June direct Soros and Singham to provide financial records related to payments to the Party for Socialism and Liberation, the People’s Forum and the ANSWER Coalition, organizations that GOP lawmakers say helped organize recent anti-ICE demonstrations in Los Angeles. Luna warned that failure to comply will trigger subpoenas, possible contempt of Congress findings and referral to the Justice Department.

https://deepnewz.com/us-judiciary/house-...t-97940981
People are allowed to protest and to fund protests.
(06-14-2025, 07:00 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]People are allowed to protest and to fund protests.

Agreed. They are not allowed to buy supplies and have delivered pallets of brick, etc to those sites. Also if those supplies are used to attack people, any people they are responsible. for the outcomes. Also taxpayer money is not allowed to be used for this purpose.
The Army birthday parade is pretty cool. All the different vehicles and their uses in their respective times of war. The different units that were prominent in big operations in WW2 and other conflicts. The only thing that bugs the ish out of me is many of these units can't March in formation. The only ones who look sharp are The Citadel and other such schools. They look sharp as hell.
(06-14-2025, 07:55 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]The Army birthday parade is pretty cool. All the different vehicles and their uses in their respective times of war. The different units that were prominent in big operations in WW2 and other conflicts. The only thing that bugs the ish out of me is many of these units can't March in formation. The only ones who look sharp are The Citadel and other such schools. They look sharp as hell.

I marched in a 4th of July parade through Boston once while viciously hungover. Sailors are notorious for our lack of military bearing. We marched terribly but I didn't care. I just wanted it to end so I could get some hair of the dog. Maybe the soldiers partied hard last night.
OK Liberals, just tell me what is your "Fair Share" of what someone else earned...... And why we should Tax the rich more?????

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(06-14-2025, 09:02 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]OK Liberals, just tell me what is your "Fair Share" of what someone else earned...... And why we should Tax the rich more?????

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Anyone who argues this in terms of fairness is either stupid or thinks you're stupid.
A flat tax would be "fair", assuming all income was earned, but a lot of income is unearned, suggesting that there is unfairness before taxation that won't go away after taxation.

The simple answer of why the rich should be taxed more is simply margins. (a) They will miss their next dollar a lot less than a poor person, (b) increasing their rate by a small margin gives bigger returns than increasing a poor person's rate by a small margin, and © they are clearly benefiting more, in terms of security and quality of life, from our system than the poor are, ergo, they have more to lose if that system goes sideways.

Those arguments aren't great, I know, but they're at least better than arguing about fairness.

Social security, Medicare, and debt interest are simply growing too fast, faster than tax revenue, something has to be done.
All of the solutions are hard.
Pick your hard.
It was a really nice U.S,Army birthday celebration. They were formed on June 14th, 1775. The people saying it was for Trump's birthday are just miserable people. The fact he was born on the same day as the Army's founding has nothing to do with anything. What he did it on purpose? Get real. The event was really good and a true celebration of the Army. Trump did speak but it was all about honoring the Army. It was the least political speech I have heard him make. Overall a well deserved and well done celebration.

(06-14-2025, 09:12 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-14-2025, 09:02 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]OK Liberals, just tell me what is your "Fair Share" of what someone else earned...... And why we should Tax the rich more?????

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Anyone who argues this in terms of fairness is either stupid or thinks you're stupid.
A flat tax would be "fair", assuming all income was earned, but a lot of income is unearned, suggesting that there is unfairness before taxation that won't go away after taxation.
Social security, Medicare, and debt interest are simply growing too fast, faster than tax revenue, something has to be done.
All of the solutions are hard.
Pick your hard.

The chart is personal income tax. The bold is paid from payroll taxes. They are about 15% currently with the employer paying half. What are you talking about?
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(06-14-2025, 10:13 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]lololol

https://x.com/saras76/status/19340512480...490Eg&s=19

Served him right..... You know what they say...... Play stupid games........
This was a political hit...... She went against "The Party"......... 

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So...the machines were "altered" now, but not in 2020. When Trump claimed that they said it was impossible. Democrats will try anything to obtain, and hold on to, the power that they crave.......

Lawsuit Alleges 'Secretly Altered' Vote Machines Stole Election From Kamala Harris

A new lawsuit asserted that election discrepancies in Rockland County, New York, occurred during the 2024 cycle, possibly costing votes for now-former Vice President Kamala Harris.

The lawsuit, filed by SMART Legislation, said that more voters indicated in sworn affidavits that they cast their ballots for independent Senate candidate Diane Sare than the Rockland County Board of Elections ultimately certified for her, according to a Tuesday report from Newsweek.

That means the results of the election undercounted the actual number of votes for Sare.

https://www.westernjournal.com/lawsuit-a...la-harris/
(06-14-2025, 09:13 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]It was a really nice U.S,Army birthday celebration. They were formed on June 14th, 1775. The people saying it was for Trump's birthday are just miserable people. The fact he was born on the same day as the Army's founding has nothing to do with anything. What he did it on purpose? Get real. The event was really good and a true celebration of the Army. Trump did speak but it was all about honoring the Army. It was the least political speech I have heard him make. Overall a well deserved and well done celebration.

(06-14-2025, 09:12 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone who argues this in terms of fairness is either stupid or thinks you're stupid.
A flat tax would be "fair", assuming all income was earned, but a lot of income is unearned, suggesting that there is unfairness before taxation that won't go away after taxation.
Social security, Medicare, and debt interest are simply growing too fast, faster than tax revenue, something has to be done.
All of the solutions are hard.
Pick your hard.

The chart is personal income tax. The bold is paid from payroll taxes. They are about 15% currently with the employer paying half. What are you talking about?

Technically that's correct, but the chart of payroll tax would look very different.  The rich pay comparatively little of that.  The share of payroll tax that they pay is less than their share of income.
https://x.com/DeAngelisCorey/status/1933...Yfmuw&s=19

BREAKING: Minnesota State Patrol confirms the assassination suspect had "No Kings" flyers in their car.

The teachers unions promoted this "nationwide day of defiance."
https://x.com/nypost/status/193424303792...xOXpw&s=19

Assassinated Minnesota Dem had just crossed party lines to cast decisive vote against illegal migrant handouts: ‘I did what leaders do’ trib.al/f88UZvm
(06-15-2025, 09:43 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]https://x.com/nypost/status/193424303792...xOXpw&s=19

Assassinated Minnesota Dem had just crossed party lines to cast decisive vote against illegal migrant handouts: ‘I did what leaders do’ trib.al/f88UZvm

We don't know what this guy's motivations were. It could have been personal. I'm sure the manifesto they found provides his reasoning, but they haven't released it yet.
(06-15-2025, 07:08 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-14-2025, 09:13 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]It was a really nice U.S,Army birthday celebration. They were formed on June 14th, 1775. The people saying it was for Trump's birthday are just miserable people. The fact he was born on the same day as the Army's founding has nothing to do with anything. What he did it on purpose? Get real. The event was really good and a true celebration of the Army. Trump did speak but it was all about honoring the Army. It was the least political speech I have heard him make. Overall a well deserved and well done celebration.


The chart is personal income tax. The bold is paid from payroll taxes. They are about 15% currently with the employer paying half. What are you talking about?

Technically that's correct, but the chart of payroll tax would look very different.  The rich pay comparatively little of that.  The share of payroll tax that they pay is less than their share of income.

LOL. The question was how much of the personal income you feel is your share of "rich" peoples income. Not anything to do with the subject you are attempting to switch to. That is a different subject completely. Apples and oranges, not that it surprises me, when at a loss you do this like clockwork.

The subject you brought up payroll taxes. Let's review as you promoted a flat tax as a fair solution.

Everyone pay the same
Federal unemployment tax - Everyone pays the same a percent on the first $6,000 dollars of pay. I can remember it being about $66 per employee. After that no charge.
State unemployment tax varies (the States set them) but percentages will range between 5-7% and a limit of the first 5k to 10k of salary. After that no charge.

High earners pay more
FICA and Medicare/Medicaid a percentage of wages split between employer and employee. up to a max of about 125k of salary. (it used to be lower) so those making more pay more.

Do some research guy.
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